Friday, October 20, 2006


Suppose you woke up to discover someone else was "plugged" into you. You didn't agree to this, it just happened. He's a stranger, but otherwise just a regular guy. The trouble is that he is completely dependent on you to survive, if you unplug him, he'll die. If he doesn't bother you at all then it's just weird, you can't unplug him. If his presence is demanding but you can cope if you try then it still seems harsh to unplug him. But surely there is comes a point, before his presence threatens your life where you can justifiably pull the plug, he can't expect you to devote your entire existence and all your resources to keeping him alive can he? I don't know what the answer is but I wouldn't consider it murder.

This thought experiment is for people who think abortion is either murder, or not, ever. It's how I normally think of it but even if you incline to the murder side, things might not be so clear, especially in the case of rape victims.


aus blog said...

With each passing moment comes another chance to turn it all around.

With each new generation comes the realization of the mistakes of the former.

That's how human-kind progresses to the ultimate goal'


Want to know how to find humanity-?

True humanity can only be achieved, by concidering others/ caring about others, as much as, if not more than yourself.

Until we do we are no more than an uncivilisation,

with all the uncivilised things that we do...

Something for Pro-choicers and Pro-lifers to concider.....

World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.

3,500 per day / 1.3 million per year in America alone.

50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.

A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.

And 2% had medical reasons.

That means a stagering 98% may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.

I am a 98% pro-lifer, 2% Pro-choicer, who has no religious convictions at all . I didn't need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sense of what is right and wrong.
You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term you can consider yourself lucky.
Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you.

Don't you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?

At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

I am convinced that in the not too distant future, people will look back at many of the practices of today with disbelief and horror.

Swart Donkey said...

We were also once semen, and ovaries.

Are you suggesting `Monty Python'esque every sperm is sacred?

I disagree strongly that the answer is obvious.

1) A person who is raped may choose to keep the baby. This may be an opportunity to change that awful experience into something that can be `justified' by the amount of joy the child ends up bringing her.

2) Another person may be raped and forced to keep the child, and everyday be reminded of that experience. The child may not even be loved because the mother sees it as a symbol of that awful experience.

What is worse, not to experience life or to experience life where even your mother hates you?

Personally I think abortion should be allowed. My dillema is at what point in pregnancy it should no longer be allowed.

Up until someone has some form of capacity to provide for a child, I think the choice should be available.

My other dilemma is what happens if the sex was consensual and there is disagreement as to whether the child should be kept.

In this case, I am strongly opposed to the idea that the woman should choose. If there is disagreement, I do not believe abortion should be allowed. And the argument that the woman should choose because she has to carry the child is a poor one. The risk of conception is part of the price of an orgasm.

stuart said...

I agree with SD. I can?t get too worked up about exactly which sperm makes it and on what day. I?m glad I?m alive but it wouldn?t be a tragedy if some other person was born instead of me, good for him.

My view is that foetuses are not persons and so rules regarding people are no good. Infants acquire their personhood bit by bit. I don?t know where to draw the line, it?s probably different for different infants.

I think the emotional investments of the parents are morally significant and I find it plausible that these are more intense for women, but if the dad is very invested that should be given equal weight.